[identity profile] tellytelly.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] news_jpop
I can't believe I couldn't even bear listening to NEWS' songs now... It just makes me so sad...
Tried to concentrate on my studying but my hand wandered off to a magazine on the shelf that caught my eye. Oricon style from march 2007 when NEWS came back out as six after one year of hiatus.
The words Pi wrote kinda gives us an idea of what he's thinking now I guess, but it makes me all so much more disappointed now when I read it again, and of course the happy faces of those six gathering and working together after separating for one year is something we can only dream of from now on...

Here's the comment Pi gave at that time:

僕は、ひとりで立ち向かって行く勇気を磨きましたね。いろんなところで経験を積んだっていうのも大きかったな。特にGYMの経験は大きかったと思う。国の壁を越えてコミュニケーションできたことは楽しかった。その後、タイ語は全く練習してないけど(笑)。自分のパワーだったり、どれくらいの力量なのか?ってことをしれたことも良かったと思う。あとはNEWSを離れて客観的に考えたときに、やっぱりNEWSあっての俺なんだなって感じました。帰る場所があるって、いいですね。

My Translation:
I have polished my courage to stand up and go on alone (after this period). It was a big thing to gain so much experiences from all the things I've done. Especially the experience with GYM. It was happy to cross over the barrier of different countries and be able to communicate. After that I hardly practiced my Thai though(smile). It was great also to realize "How much is the power that I have? ". It was then I objectively considered about leaving NEWS, in the end however, I feel that I am me when I'm in NEWS. With NEWS, there's a place I can return to, and that is a great thing.

And so it seems, even back then Pi always had some idea of leaving NEWS but he might have not been quite prepared at that time, and there was still that factor of feeling safer with a group, but now yamapi seems all ready to meet the challenges himself so he has chosen to leave NEWS. As much as I understand ppl have their rights to choose their path, I think there's this factor of responsibility involved when it affects the path of five other ppl and also the hearts of millions that have supported and loved them.

It seems that since now that NEWS won't be able to bring him to new heights and he's had a confidence boost fron his solo tour he's ready to leave.
Sigh...
(。-_-。)

Date: 2011-10-08 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychotk.livejournal.com
it's a little depressing that I seem to be the only one who has no problem with this. they're not disbanding, which is what I was afraid of. Pi's not quitting show-biz altogether, he's just going his own way. it happens. quite often, actually. people grow and change and their lives go in different directions. That's life.

I already know there is a sea of little pixel-people out there in internet-land who vehemently disagree with me, so... *sigh* let the wank begin. I'll just skip off quietly and go on with my day.
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trying this for the fourth effing time...

Date: 2011-10-08 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychotk.livejournal.com
fml. lj died and ate my comment *kicks them* get your shit together, lj team!

anyway, I'm too lazy to retype what I said word-for-word lol but the basic gist was this: never intended to start an argument. I actually have a life and thus wouldn't respond if anyone tried to argue with me lol. because fighting over the internet is dumb. I just wanted to speak up and show NEWS (current and former members alike) that I still support them. <3

and then I had a really clever divorce analogy XD but I'm all annoyed at lj now so it wouldn't have the same effect. it sounded good, though! along the lines of instead of bitching and whining about mommy- and daddy-NEWS getting a divorce, us fan-kids (rofl I'm older than some of them, but whatever...) should try to understand that it doesn't mean they don't love us anymore.

...yeah... summing it up makes it sound dumb. imo, at least. *shrug*

if lj eats this one, I give up >.>

.

Date: 2011-10-08 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychotk.livejournal.com
FINALLY. goddamn gimpy site...

Re: .

Date: 2011-10-09 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] decemberpie.livejournal.com
Yeah, that logic doesn't really work.... ^^''

Date: 2011-10-09 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychotk.livejournal.com
eh. I refer you to my response to tellytelly. (and I am very much aware that it's insanely rare for divorce to go smoothly, so don't bother pointing it out to me, guys)

anyway, before lj gimped out on me and I got all pissed off and lazy, it was explained better XD I definitely see how it's a crap analogy without the wording I originally had... oh well. life goes on.

Re: trying this for the fourth effing time...

Date: 2011-10-09 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychotk.livejournal.com
not necessarily. I have actually seen couples divorce simply because it wasn't working anymore and they'd grown apart, not out of any animosity or whatever. they actually stayed really close friends.

Date: 2011-10-08 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sixcoins.livejournal.com
I agree as well. I love NewS and Yamapi I will still support both. I still love Ryo but have never really gotten into Kanji8. I look forward to the New Years Count Down, it should be interesting. Change is a fact of life, lord knows I missed Jin Akinishi at the Count Down last year because of change and the direction he chose to take. Life goes on.

Date: 2011-10-08 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elliecullen17.livejournal.com
Man I'm really late on the current issues. So this is very shocking for me. I'm just happy if they guys are happy, so as long as they are fine and doing well, then it's all good. It's very sad that they can't be a unit anymore but they can still collaborate and hey there is always New Years to look forward to, where they we still share the same stage. News Fighting! ^_^

Date: 2011-10-08 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sasupi.livejournal.com
I respect the choice of Yamashita
Despite my love for news but It is his life in the last Yamashita I'm sure will surpass all the challenges Because he has the ambition and determination the Most like news because of him At first Like me So why everyone hates him now the most of them hated him because they are a fraid a bout the fate of the rest of the members Is not it not because they love them and dont want ryopi to leave.they Say he is a traitor and a arrogant why Rest of the members did not leave the group because they had no other choice Not because they love News But Yamashita has a future And big dreams He did not Will not give up the other he is just wanted to complete his life in his own way I'm sure he still love news And will support all of them always i love news too but i just want him to be happy in his life Because he is the only person who is make me happy sorry if you dislike my opinion
but yamashita kun janbatte and news too shige ,masu.tegoshi, koyama and ryo too i hope all of you to be happy And succeed

Date: 2011-10-08 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sixcoins.livejournal.com
EXACTLY on the spot!!

Date: 2011-10-08 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwilovers.livejournal.com
Hummm call me arrogant...
But it is his choice and I can't do anything...

agree with your opinion :
ppl have their rights to choose their path, I think there's this factor of responsibility involved when it affects the path of five other ppl and also the hearts of millions that have supported and loved them.


Same with us... When we choose to leave NEWS fandom, it will affect them too..

Although *for example* it is just me, but what will happen if there are 200 fans who have the same decision with me... XDD

For all these things, for me, I will be in great shock if Tegomass who left this group... Since their vocal give color to NEWS...

Date: 2011-10-09 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polgas-eivinej.livejournal.com
"And so it seems, even back then Pi always had some idea of leaving NEWS but he might have not been quite prepared at that time,"

if I add, and the members too.. that time they need to support each other. Its not just Pi who needs to prepare, he also see to it that the remaining members can stand alone even if his gone. don't you think?

Date: 2011-10-09 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiimiko.livejournal.com
I think this'll be good for News. I'm sad because news wont be the same without Pi and Ryo, I already miss them, but we'll still have the old songs and photos and videos to look back on like with 8nin news.

But looking at how things have been for the last year or so, Yamapi and Ryo dont have anything to lose by staying in News in name only, Its News thats gotten held back, being in News hasnt stopped Yamapi's solo album and Asia Tour, Ryo's had two drama leads, K8 concerts and heaps of singles, albums and new dome concert soon and a bunch of K8 tv shows. But while Ryo and Pi are still linked to News, News itself cant have any activities without them, Tegomass could (and has) as a subunit, but not News itself (which is pretty much Koyashige).

News didnt have the popularity to go on without Yamapi back in 2006 when Yamapi released Daite Senorita and Tegomass debuted, But I think they can now. This year is Tegomass's third concert tours, Koyama has News every and Shige's been in some good dramas and stageplays. I believe the 4 of them could be awesome, they can make songs reminiscent of 6 nin news, that a duo cant no matter how good their vocals are and maybe have opportunities for something new, in the quirkiness of Koyashige and their solos PVs. (Totally wishful thinking... I know its not feasible) but isnt now the best time for Kusano to return to News and Uchi to return to Kanjani8?)

I dont blame Pi at all, I might not follow his solo career, but wish him the best. It was right for Ryo to leave at the same time, he cant keep up with two active groups forever, esp with how much work Kanjani's been getting. Its a big blow to lose a third of the members at once, but theres no point in having 4.5 members and having the same constraints holding back activities.

Date: 2011-10-09 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiimiko.livejournal.com
Ah thanks, I'd glad you feel like my comment has help you feel a bit better. News and K8 is the first time I've been involved in an active fandom like this. Its nice to hear and share how everybody feels. I understand some fans are really hurt and angry, but I find it really touching that in spite of this, lots of people are still giving their support to the members and fellow fans of other groups are showing sympathy and consideration too.

I believe the members are still all going to be friends and support each other even though they're going in separate directions. Recent interview translations seems to mention a lot members from different groups hanging out in private, esp Kanjani guys it seems(with Toma and News). I'll miss the group interviews, I love hearing about how much Pi and Ryo mention each other and how they still go surfing at 2am and stuff, I think they really have a good friendship.

I cant comprehend why people are blaming Jin though. I dont really know much about how the kat yun fans reacted to it. For me, I think its just that Jin was first to do it, because it worked out, the agency has more confidence in marketing Yamapi this way too. Just like how Ryo was the first Johnnys' to have his own solo concert, since then, most of the debuted Johnnys have gotten to do solo concerts too. I think its sweet that Pi and Jin would be able to help each other, having been through the same experience, or like the time Ryo asked the audience to support Jin during one of his concert mcs.

Thank you for your post ^^.

Date: 2011-10-09 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiimiko.livejournal.com
Ah, I got unsure if I got that wrong, I remember first reading about it a when I first fell for Ryo and that fact was stuck on my mind. I did some sleuthing to to track down where I read it. It was Tatoeba's Ryo Nishikido pimp post, but I found another post on this com, where someone said Tsuyoshi from Kinki kids had a solo con in 2002 (4 years before his). Gomen ne for not getting it wrong, first out of his peers at least. I thought it had something to do with him having songs from both News and Kanjani8 to choose from, he also sang Secret Agent man (singing along with a video of his younger self on the screen).

News was my first JE love, so they'll be special, but I adore all of Kanjani8 now, they ve been my favorite for a while. Earlier today I was commenting on another journinal about k8 bond and news group dynamics. I totally feel the same too with what you're saying about News being more like 4 good friend and 2 sempai which are close friends, how they had been thrown into the group a bit randomly when they debuted.

Dont give up on fangirling if they still make you happy and excited and insane!. I used to be very very attached and invested in the story and characters in Naruto, I'm kind of sad that my love for it have dwindled before the manga has ended :(

Date: 2011-10-09 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] decemberpie.livejournal.com
Didn't all the NEWS members at that time come up on stage once? During his solo.

I also heard he was the first, but I thought someone from earlier should have done it at least one time, and Tsuyoshi sounds like he would. Maybe he was second then? ^^
But didn't they say it on tv too when he had his solo that he was first?... Hmm, maybe different kinds of solos?

Date: 2011-10-09 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiimiko.livejournal.com
oh yeah, I found a subbed clip I saw(zoom in 2006.01.06)
Its pretty short here it is: "Nishikido Ryo from the idol groups News and Kanjani8 appeared on stage as a solo singer. He sung songs such as a SMAP hit song. Nishikido loves music and is good at the guitar. On stage he showed of many sides of himself to charm 15 000 fans. Also at the end the news members all appeared on stage. (Ryo saying You surprized me... when did you get here?" in video clip). They celebrated his first solo concerts with him."

Theres also a longer vrt from a variety show of Ryo talking about it with clips of him tearing up at the concert thanking the fans. I cant remember which one, I hadnt downloaded that clip.

Hmm, maybe there was another program like Mezamashi TV that covered Ryos solo con that mentioned he was first. I have a vague memory of someone saying it on tv too.

Perhaps it is a different type of solo concert. I dont know much about the sempai, just that Kinki Kids is a group of only 2 people. I'm pretty sure Ryo's solo was before anyone in News, Kanjani8 and Kat-tun though. Everyone in Kanjani8 (except Hina) had individual solo concerts sometime. Ueda and Nakamura mentioned solo concerts/ individual stage plays during the Queen of Pirates concert MC on the dvd.

Date: 2011-10-11 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] memajuve.livejournal.com
i think ryopi knew for a while that they won't be performing together again on stage. which might be why in the last koi no abo promotion pi hugged ryo at the music station and gave him a kiss behind the ear and ryo hugged pi back during the second koi no abo performance at music station.

its kinda sad cause they are good friends and probably discussed all this before.

i also believe that koyashige-tegomass were also preparing or being prepared to be a 4 member news for a while as well like the variety show they did about running around the cities etc. why yamapi and ryo never showed up in those episodes etc.

i think there was gradual planning of prepating koyashi and tegomass as a unit and making them to activities together. have koyashige-tegomass visit tegomass's concert etc. all a part of a bigger plan. also perhaps koyama taking the leadership of the 4 group was also something he prepared for.

Date: 2011-10-09 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] panda-general.livejournal.com
I like this assumption.

Date: 2011-10-09 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michiyo-7.livejournal.com
I agree with this. This was what I was thinking.

Date: 2011-10-09 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polgas-eivinej.livejournal.com
To support my idea.

it took 4 years for Pi to decide leaved right? Why did he waited for that long. Last year his members are doing well. Shige has a drama and butai. Koyama has news every and radio show. Tego and Massu has TegoMass. It all happen last year I think that the members are stable in their work. They have individual works as well as group. Last 2007, Pi is the only one who doing well. He had GYM. had a drama, release a single and a movie. But how about the other members? And Ryo is the only one who doing something. But the remaining four are on the back sit.

"It was then I objectively considered about leaving NEWS, in the end however, I feel that I am me when I'm in NEWS. With NEWS, there's a place I can return to, and that is a great thing." For Pi its his HOME his the "father" and as the father he needs too see to it that when his gone his children can be in their on and stand on their own. Can out shine him.

I'm not making it melancholic or even making Pi as heroic. I just want the FANDOM to know the other side of the coin. My thought may not true. But one thing I know and that is YAMASHITA TOMOHISA LOVES NEWS. NEWS IS HIS HOME. HE DEARLY LOVES ALL THE MEMBERS. and I guess all the fans saw that. right?

Date: 2011-10-09 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riapi.livejournal.com
i respect and support Pi's choice...and i see it, somewhat inevitable[esp. the moment Jin leaves KT. i know his BFF will follow soon] he just wanted to perform freely/without limitation of being in a group... that's what he said about his dances.. like he can't really perform those kinds of songs if he is in a group...

Date: 2011-10-09 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] decemberpie.livejournal.com
I'm not angry at all. It's his choice and his life, it's not for us to decide. I'm especially happy that NEWS didn't disband completely.

But still I can't be HAPPY happy either, because two beloved members are now gone and it won't be the same. I will definitly still support them, they will need it now more than ever.

I also think it's totally okay for fans to be upset and angry, it's still so fresh. I'm sad but not wildly dissapointed.

But so far I still can't escape that Pi said all those things to the fans while knowing he would probably leave. Maybe at that time he thought it wouldn't be that way? Then so be it.
But he has to remember too that he is where are today not only because of himself (I don't think he actually truly believes that), but because the fans support him. In their industry the fans mean everything. So it saddens me that he does it the way he does, talking about NEWS as a step towards something more, nothing less. Wasn't it even worth an apology? Hopefully there will be one, show your group and the fans the respect they've earned.

Well, well... I will still respect him for taking such a huge step towards his dream. I hope he'll be happy. As well as Ryo and the remaining of NEWS! ^^

[But if Koyashige are let go in the future I can not NOT blame him a bit for it.Like you said, "I think there's this factor of responsibility involved when it affects the path of five other people and also the hearts of millions that have supported and loved them".]

Date: 2011-10-09 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] decemberpie.livejournal.com
I might have meant it back then (I'm not talking about several years ago or anything, more recently), but it still hurt tha fans. I can understand and I think he still really likes NEWS and all, but it wasn't enough etc etc.
But the way he put it ticked me off a bit. He shouldn't disrespect the fans that have supported him and NEWS all this time. Until he properly apologizes I can't 100% be at ease. He makes himeslf look like a selfish douche a bit, and I totally do not believe he is. That's what's sad.


It would be awesome, but unfortunately I don't think they would survive. Or maybe they would, but become famous enough? No, it's too much of a stretch. As much as I love Koyashige they are too unknown and don't sing good enough.
But I wish them all the luck and I hope we'll be able to see them more now! :3

Date: 2011-10-09 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] decemberpie.livejournal.com
I neveer went to the shop either! Yeah... It must be tough. I read Koyama's nikki too. It feels so sad with Koyama's member ai and all...

I wonder what goes on in Shige's mind now? His self-esteem was never that good. Well... It's kind of bad. He always thinks the worst will happen, and he even said that before the LIVE!LIVE!LIVE! concert (during spring) he thought of leaving NEWS. When he came back he realized he was very happy and still wants to be there. He also always has the feeling of "preparing for the future" just in case. Then having the least fans (probably) and not being that known. I feel so bad for him. The other's too. That's why we'll HAVE to support them somehow!

I think they'll work as a subgroup, but on their own? Sure, Toma has no group nor has he debutet in any way, but he's a special case. And a lot more famous. It would be really tough for Koyashige to stand on their own two feet. Maybe they can do as Tegomass? Have that AND NEWS?

IF Koyashige disappeards though, as I've said before, it will be hard NOT to blame Pi in the least. If that happens he will be responsible too for ruining other people's careers for his own gain. Hopefully this NEVER EVER happens. I won't think about that anymore.

Date: 2011-10-09 02:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] blue-panda26.livejournal.com
Reading this I just started crying again... While I will support his decision, Ryo's, and NEWS as a whole, the pain of this all hasn't been softened in the least bit. It just hurts, and no matter how positively I look at it, underneath, my heart still hurts.I don't think that pain will ever be able to entirely go away, but still, I will continue supporting them.

Date: 2011-10-09 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oryantezuka.livejournal.com
From VERY long ago, it's been obvious that Pi wanted to be a more Western style star, (yes, kind of like Jin.) They're big talents, and it's obvious that both of them had aspirations of leaving Johnny's behind and making it big outside of the Japanese industry. You can tell from the way Supergood Superbad was produced, how much English he sings, the feel, the wardrobe he wore to promote the songs, (In Korea), and everything else about it.
It is clear that Pi LOVES his fans and loves being in NEWS, and appreciates everything that being a Johnny's has done for him and his life. I don't think he regrets it or resents it.
I AM NOT saying I know what is in his heart, but it seems pretty clear that this is Pi's dream. To be his own artist, write his own songs, be his own person.
It's hard being a Johnny because no matter how much input you get in a song or concert layout, you're still seen as being part of that agency and not an original artist. It's easy to see that that is what Yamapi wants out of his life.
He is a PERSON, with goals, aspirations, and feelings.
Yes, you can feel betrayed, because he told you to wait for NEWS.
But when you tell him you're his fan and supporter, but aren't even willing to think of him as a human being, doesn't it seem like you're betraying him?
He has just as much of a right to pursue the happiness and life that he wants out of the world as any other person does.
He's in a very difficult position because he has responsibilities to NEWS fans and there is so much history of love and support there, and to go solo he has to leave that behind. It's obviously a very difficult decision, with a lot to weigh out. How can you possibly blame a person for ultimately following their heart and trying to make themselves happy?
I think people need to think of NEWS, yes as a Johnny's band, but also as a group of people.
Would you want two people dancing on stage, singing songs, but ultimately feeling unfulfilled in their life? Would you want fake smiles, covering up hearts that are full of sadness, regret, and fatigue?
It's painful, and I am mourning 6nin NEWS just as much as every other NEWS fan.
We can be sad for what has passed, but to blame people or hold animosity or a grudge towards them is simply wrong. In doing so, you are not thinking of them as people, but objects whose only responsibility is bringing you happiness.

Date: 2011-10-09 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yaotomesugoi.livejournal.com
damn you, irresponsible leader.

Date: 2011-10-09 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustydawn.livejournal.com
you just said my point.
as much as i understand yamapi want to pursue his own dreams, his goals, theres no wrong in it. but probably he forgot the qualities of responsibility, sensitivity & honesty.
many ppl say that yamapi meant what he said last year when he will still remain with news, but if something could changed so quickly as w 1 year. thats too convenient for an excuse. im sorry, but im just disappointed cos i always believe he's honest to his fans and true to them, and really happy to know him in news.

whatever the case is, believe that the rest of the NEWS members will succeed beautifully, and i see it as a chance for all 4 of them to TRULY shine.

Date: 2011-10-09 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kattunisthebest.livejournal.com
I saw this coming from a mile away... Even when Yamapi was in NewS I could tell he wasn't TRULY happy. He might've felt "safe" but he wasn't happy. Same with Ryo. I don't blame Ryo for leaving because he is in another group. Yamapi is a different case... He is the so-called "leader" who never acted like one. He could've left a more emotional response considering the group has worked together for more than 7 years. It's the same as when Jin left- I was really glad he was leaving because he was dragging the group back, but his last leaving message to fans was like Yamapi's- unemotional and self-promoting. I don't think he's a bad person, but as the "leader" he shouldn't leave NewS like it is no big deal. idk...

Yamapi can sing and dance fairly well, so I think he will be successful as a solo artist. I feel bad for the rest of NewS though. I think they will continue to be supported by fans but... They lost their two sexiest members. It sucks. I don't even like NewS' music but I watched their concerts because of their good looks (Shallow, I know) and now they're gone... Oh well.

Date: 2011-10-09 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ilovetego.livejournal.com
well said. Thanks for sharing.

Inaccurate translation?

Date: 2011-10-10 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suketeru.livejournal.com
Hello (^_^)/
Thank you for this post. I usually don't like to interfere with other people's translations, but the last part seems to have been misunderstood and is causing a little mistrust towards Yamapi. I have asked rike-chan's opinion as well (another translator I know and trust) to be certain that it's not my mind playing tricks on me or being biased.

あとはNEWSを離れて客観的に考えたときに、やっぱりNEWSあっての俺なんだなって感じました。

This. It actually means, "Besides [what I have just said], after separating from NEWS and thinking about it objectively, I felt like I am who I am because of NEWS."

If you'd like to ask any other translator or native person to be sure, please do. I'd like to be certain of what he says as much as you do ^_^ But if this does turn out to be true, I will permit myself to ask you to please make another post correcting this. All those who read this already won't come back and read it again, so even if you simply edit it, it won't help correct the idea they created in their minds ^^; I don't want people to hate on Yamapi >.<

Besides that, I'm sad about Yamapi and Ryo-chan leaving NEWS, too. But I wonder if this will on the contrary help Koyashige shine more. On the other hand, I wonder if Tegomass makes any sense anymore XD

Re: Inaccurate translation?

Date: 2011-10-15 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amapi.livejournal.com
You are correct. He never said he was thinking of leaving NEWS, he said that after he was separated from NEWS [for a little while to work with GYM] and thinking about it objectively...etc.

Re: Inaccurate translation?

Date: 2011-10-15 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suketeru.livejournal.com
Thank you amapi for confirming that ^^

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