Suggestion regarding the ex-member situation

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

As many of you noticed, the ex-member situation is causing some trouble.
Some don’t want to hear about them some do.
However this is a NEWS (N4WS) community thus NEWS should be the main focus. But I do understand fans who want to have info about ex-member. Thus I think that huey_tsai 's idea was pretty good.

What about having a weekly “Free for all (name the ex-member) post” where fans could share info.
This way NEWS would be the main focus but people interested in ex-member activities would also get infos.

As beastrife suggested it we may also add a link to link fans who are looking for information to a new place to post and get updates on a former member.

Comments

[rebirthreborn.livejournal.com]

Supporting this idea =3

[beastrife.livejournal.com]

Good idea.

May I also suggest that we add a link to link fans who are looking for information to a new place to post and get updates on a former member (if or once it exists) so that this place can be kept on focus as much as possible?

That way fans who wish to contribute may be directed over to contribute, and fans who wish to obtain information regarding only a former member may find what they want easily without having to scroll through updates which do not appeal to them.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

Seems like a good idea
If enought people agree on this we may be able to contact the mod to have an open vote

[melib2.livejournal.com]

is a great idea!!!! i support you girls *_*

[stinky259.livejournal.com]

I haven't read through the comments of the last post, but when was it decided that this is a NEWS4 comm? This comm is for NEWS and all former members of NEWS. If people want a 4nin-only comm, they can make one where mentioning Pi isn't allowed, like KAT-TUN fans did with going_gonin. I don't think it's fair for select members who don't like Pi to decide that his solo career work can't be posted here under the "yamashita tomohisa (former member)" tag.

A weekly ffa is bullshit. WHy bother when most fans interested in just Yamapi go to watchful21 and just Uchi have uchi_daily anyway.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

We said nothing about this being a N4WS community however ex-member were NEWS but no longer are.
Therefore there should be post about them yes, but the main focus should be NEWS.
I'm not saying that we should ban info that are ex-member related but many regulate them cause obviously some fans are still bitter about the situation.
I merely suggesting an open vote and a solution.
That's all.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

Maybe not many*
sorry

[beastrife.livejournal.com]

I don't know why everyone likes to talk about KAT-TUN's community and compare it anyway.

No one is saying his posts are banned. We just think it's more logical and fair for both the fans and the artists to place information where they belong. Especially now that Pi's updates are rather frequent.

Fans can go to wherever to look for whatever they want, and either side will be much tidier and more on focus.

We thank you for your input on the suggestion, but we would be utterly grateful if you could be more graceful in your choice of words. And if what you are saying is correct, that most fans interested in Yamapi go to watchful21 and all, then all the more there is no need for constant updates on everything he does in this community.

[hineas-estel.livejournal.com]

I think everyone mentions the Kat-tun community because like with NEWS, one member decided to start a solo career; and like NEWS, some people are more upset or sensitive about that then others. Ergo, there is a lot of arguing, hurt feelings and as things look right now, inevitably a split of fans going to take place.

As for the being more tidier and information going where they belong. I don't think a free for all will help archive that. First of all, free for alls as I know them are terribly unorganized in and on themselves and second, if you have to scroll back to some ffa that was posted five days ago or wait for a new one, people might just not bother at all. Which in a way might be exactly what this is all about. It sure seems like it.

As for the balance people, and this is not specifically directed at you, keep talking about. I think that is kind of hard to obtain too. I mean there are times when Yamapi has more activities and times when Tegomass have more activities. Generally, for most people constant updates is a pretty relative concept.

Also, who would be allowed to make the ffa posts or keep watch over that so called balance? It certainly would be a lot of stress or work for the mod or whoever else would be doing it. And that over something pretty trivial.

As for watchful21, she is completely awesome! But, and that is the problem, not all of us have access to her journal. Which in no way means I don't understand her reasoning for remaining fo.

Another long post, and I hope I don't offend any of you with this. Just my opinon.

[evilcoc0nut.livejournal.com]

[im-the-strange.livejournal.com]

Weekly "Free for all" sounds great. I support it \(^-^)/

[mcflyrox85.livejournal.com]

i don't agree :\
srsly it's "NEWSjpop" community..

[mcflyrox85.livejournal.com]

Digging 9 years old posts to say that? Pathetic.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

I've had a few alerts coming from this users, I think they're trolling (imagine my surprise when a 9 years old post started receiving comments)

[nudrive.livejournal.com]

Weekly FFA seems good because imo the ex-member tag should be used like this: stuff related to when they were active in the group - ok, stuff related to after they left - not ok.

At least that's how I assume it should be used whenever I see it on any comm

[rorychan.livejournal.com]

That's actually not how the tag is used in other communities. They are used the same as it is here. The former member tag is to keep us up to date with those ex-members not to remember past work. However, the daily postings is a bit much so a weekly free for all master post would be perfect.

[nudrive.livejournal.com]

Uh ok.

It's far from perfect tbh -______-

zombie mod

[sumairu.livejournal.com]

Interesting idea. I will take that into consideration.

[rorychan.livejournal.com]

I greatly approve of this. It's the perfect solution!

[amhrancas]

I actually think that sumairu's suggestion here might be better in terms of handling non-NEWS news. It allows for specific updates (not scans, interviews, fan projects, etc) about Yamapi here on news_jpop but also encourages intercommunication and growth development with the Yamapi comm, something which can only benefit both communities.

I also like the idea of having maybe a weekly/every-two-weeks FFA for fans to get to come in and link/share/talk about whatever they want to re: NEWS, both current and past members. PROVIDED everyone participating can agree to be mature and level-headed about it all XD;

last edit, I swear XD; Typing skills: I has them.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

I think the key point here is communication.
Any idea is good we should just discuss calmly and comme to an agreement.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

come* (french go away)

[amhrancas]

I think the key point here is communication.
THIS. I think that it's a totally reasonable request/assumption to have a partnership with affiliate comms like _yamapi, tegomassmatsuri, uchi_daily, ryo_watch (heck, even throw in a shout out to one_ok_rock since I discovered them through my interest in NEWS' past members). I don't know why the mentality seems to be "IT MUST ALL BE HERE. >8|" vs. "NONE OF IT MUST BE HERE. >8|"

Guys, really, there is nothing wrong with working together with outside communities.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

I agree

[rietje-1.livejournal.com]

I was going to suggest a post like this one with screened comments. But now there's this one.

Good idea. I'd rather not have the ex-members be banned from the comm completely. I mean, Yamapi is still very popular and some people might want to stick to this comm because it's a big one where they can keep up-to-date with everyone. Some people don't want to join yet another comm for another member. I agree with allowing posts that are about the ex-members up to their departure and info on their releases for fans who still want to know about it.

But I don't really get the ffw thing. Would it be like, a masterpost that gives everyone the chance to share and spam in that specific entry about it or like, people are allowed to post about them for a week?

[slytherisa.livejournal.com]

I like the combination of both ideas. A weekly/bi-weekly FFA post would be a positive place for fans of former members to gather and spam all they want, and if it's all in one post the community members who don't want to see anything Pi- or ex member-related can easily skip it.

I still feel like it's not a good time to be posting all the updates to Pi's career though, since we know we can't get any NEWS activities probably until next year. :/ I think when NEWS have their own activities to compete with the Pi updates this problem will go away, until then maybe just use some discretion when posting about him, especially since he does have his own community.

[meikimari.livejournal.com]

No offence, but i don't see what the big deal is to be honest. it's just posts. Kattun comms get spammed.with jin posts all the time. If u guys like the idea of it bring eternally 4 members then make a freakin new comm. You guys ate making such a big deal out of nothing. I don't agree with it all. If you don't like make ppl leave and start anew. :/

[amhrancas]

Um, we are not the KAT-TUN comm though, so maybe we'd like to try figuring out what will work best for this comm and its members instead of adapting a "just deal with it" attitude?

[meikimari.livejournal.com]

We're also news fans and i had so much respect for you guys till this came about.
It's not a deal with it attitude. It's a THEY ARE NEWS attitude. And they'll always be somehow related whether you guys choose to deny it or not. If you've kept the comm normal for uchi and.kusano, i'm sure you'll survive keeping it the same for pi and ryo really. it's HONESTLY not a huge deal like you're all making it out to be.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

We're not denying you the right to be NEWS fan we're just trying to talk things out cause obviously there is an issue here.
It's not about who's a better fan.
We're a community we should be able to communicate.
Communicate doesn't mean yelling at each other or being aggressive it's just communication, trying to find a solution for everyone.
Yes they are a part of NEWS and we'll always be but they shoudn't be more important than NEWS.
We're just trying to find a proper balance.

[meikimari.livejournal.com]

I'm not trying to be agressive, i'm trying to make a point. And obviously all i can say is what you guys've come up with so far won't work.

[amhrancas]

That's the whole point though. We aren't saying that we should eliminate any mention of them, we're saying that "hey, there are a number of other affiliates and sources for information all of which relates to these 9 current and former NEWS members, so why don't we see what can be done to better facilitate information archiving and sharing?"

That's all. It may have been spurred on by hurt feelings, but I see nothing wrong with trying to improve the NEWS (past and present) community as a whole.

Also, I'm a KAT-TUN/JIN fan, too. And I know all too well about the fracturing the fandom and communities went through over the past 2 years. It's because of all that and its resulting fallout that I no longer watch any of the KAT-TUN/JIN comms. I'd rather not have NEWS fandom become like that for me.

[meikimari.livejournal.com]

I've always found this comm to be the BEST in getting all the information i needed in one place. So yes i do really understand where you're coming from but u know...i haven't seem anything wrong with how we've been dea'ing with the comm ever. And do bringing up this idea to make so many changes apalls me a little.

But.of course as long as u understand what i mean as well, cuz this change WOULD break the fandom

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

But the thing is that people don't want to ban everything ex-member related.
Only regulated those post.
I think it's good to communicate about this and try to find a solution that would suit everyone. What's wrong with communication?

And "no offence" really your whole post is passive aggresive.

[meikimari.livejournal.com]

By putting that post up...that's actually EXACTLY what your suggesting, whether you like it or not

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

Have you actually read the post?
I suggest to have more post on N4WS but still to have post on ex-member so how am I suggesting to ban ex-member post?

[meikimari.livejournal.com]

Yes i have. Perhaps you don't even realuze what you're writing ? But by limiting it, that's already suggesting a banning. It's like saying you can only talk anout them once a month. the rest of the yr," oh wait, who are they? " i don't think you guys realize how much you're going to break the news lj fandom by doing this. Or rather ARE breaking them. :/

[nandexdame.livejournal.com]

All these kat-tun comments and comparisons are stupid. Kat-tun is still extremely active after losing a member and probably have posts as a group to balance out Jin. News is not active, and therefore will have little to nothing to post to counteract Yamapi or Ryo posts. Totally different situation.

[meikimari.livejournal.com]

Seriously...commenting on a 9 year old post that I don't even remember posting. WTF is this.

[wickedlaw.livejournal.com]

Honestly I'm really tired about this subject and I don't think we can come to a conclusion everybody likes. Before it was discussed and it was resolved by the "ex member" tag... now it's something else. I really don't get people that say "Yamapi doesn't deserve love anymore" like a read in the last discussion. If Tegomassu decide they want to leave NEWS are they traitors too? Who are you a fan of? Just the name NEWS or the people who made the name great over these years? I like Yamapi as solo, i LOVED 6 member NEWS but i think Yamapi did them a favor, this way they can have more activities. I will always support N4WS (i just saw this and i liked it lol) and i will always support Yamapi (Ryo's dramas too but he doesn't seem to be a problem...)

It's a good idea having it only weekly, because after all Yamapi fans (like me) can go somewhere else with more tolerable people on the subject.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

Mod made a proposition in an other post I think we should discuss everything with her^^
http://news-jpop.livejournal.com/6444633.html

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

Well this was just a suggestion and anyway it wasn't the one chosen.
Most people voted for "Important announcements only (singles, albums, concerts, dvds) posted by mods from other communities"

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

You should check the mod post: http://news-jpop.livejournal.com/6444633.html
And also there's an ad for a yamapi comm here: http://news-jpop.livejournal.com/6445040.html

I think if everyone work together we can find a solution.

[fushigi10tenshi.livejournal.com]

it's not a matter of why the former members are not in the group anymore. it's just that it's still fresh and some people can't adjust yet. also, the reason why there's not much 4nin NEWS related stuff here is not because of the former member posts, it's because there's really nothing much to post about 4nin NEWS yet. as of the moment, don't you think this community will be dull w/o the posts regarding the former members? don't get me wrong, i'm still pretty much hurt and i want to see more 4nin NEWS too. but until 4nin NEWS gets new activities for themselves, it's either there's more former member posts or no posts at all. the comm has been running w/o problems for years now. why change the rules? can't we all just wait for TM to finish their tour so that 4nin NEWS can do activities? i dont think there's going to be a problem if 4nin NEWS are active.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

Hey
ano... first of all there's a open vote post so I hope you did see it.

Then regarding your comment I guess official post about ex-member activity are okay but non official post like "[PROJECT] A Christmas wish for Yamapi... "World is yours" " not so much, they're kindda painful somehow. I think those belong in a Yamapi Community.
From my understanding, and as I said in previous comments N4WS should be the main focus of a NEWS community and as you said they don't have a lot of activity right now. But I don't think that overflowing activity on any ex-member is "good".
So I think we should just reguate ex-member post for the time being.
But I'm merely suggesting something because it was obvious that lots of people were displeased with the situation.

Again , the mod posted an open vote post which I think is much more important than this one.
The whole think is that as a community we should be able to communicate without fighting or ill feeling.